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†Aeroen¤Shoko† Rank : 4457	Posted : 7 months, 2 weeks ago at Jan 8 16:45 - Adoption, abortion, government, global warming, PBS (the TV show), the President in general, terrorism, cronyism and corruption, healthcare, environment, rights and liberties, society, Olympic Sports, factory farming, torture/slaves (around the world), race, culture. . . THERE IS SO MUCH MORE! State what your opinion is, explain why you think it is right or wrong, and wait for feedback. ( this is a peaceful forum - keep your words clean if another person decides to get on you about it ) :] I'll get my opinion in sooner or later.
Deleted Rank : 33209	Posted : 7 months, 2 weeks ago at Jan 8 17:29 - i feel that abortion is wrong becuase all human beings deserve the right to live no matter if they were born out of a marriage or in one they still deserve that right also the death penalty is wrong just give them life in prisonment. and yes im catholic
Deleted Rank : 33209	Posted : 7 months, 2 weeks ago at Jan 8 17:33 - I myself am morally against the following: Government, capitalism, school systems, society in general, adulterated psychology, conformation, 'one religion', 'one opinion', taxing, business and commerce, 'one species to rule them all', insecurity, dependence, dependence on others' dependence, inferiority, superiority, masks and of course Bob Sagget. I can dish it pretty well on the bulk of those. Bob Sagget I just despise with all my heart. I believe truth can be found in both yesterday's and today's literature, in many religious and/or spiritual works, and pretty well in anything that's written with utter honesty. I also believe unity of all life can be achieved through individual completeness; that the pure, unadulterated human psychology holds much potential to co-exist, however untapped as of yet. To me all language has meaning, it's the hateful that's negative and the loving that's positive. I don't admit that any institution has the right to physically and/or psychologically restrain the individual. I also find buildings and things to be a corruption of nature. In fact, running to and from school after such a long break, I felt a little sick with the awkward form of travel (automobile) and looked out at what appeared to be a sparse forest with dull-colored intrusions. I believe the stranger should be, and is, just as trustworthy as the lifelong friend. I also think civil disobedience is the best way to refuse authority. To top it off, I am entirely for the right being what feels right. I believe the term is intuition.
Wolf-Paw Rank : 99	Posted : 7 months, 2 weeks ago at Jan 8 17:42 - dude... life in prison is basically killing them... im against prison for life, and im against punishment by death,u dont fight barbarianism with barbarianism, nor i scratch ur back u scratch mine, ugotta do something all psychological to them and stuff, make them think they are watched like a hawk by the government, they'll shut up quick abortion is messed up... if u dont want a child u shouldnt be doing the crap anyways! geez some people are stupid... Global warming, im for the fact it exists, and i dont like how people ignore it so blindly, i'm surrounded by evidence... and its freaky, weve had a drought for a while, the weather is funky, the seasons are freak out(its something like this now... Winter Summer Spring Summer Fall Winter Fall Winter COrruption cant be stopped... as long as there is power ther will b corruption, even the strongest succumb to it, enviroment is awesome, i want the wolves to last, and the polar bears, and they wont if we dont start helping, Torture slaves, im against it, did u knowthe american government used torture on iraqis? thats messed up, we promised we never would and that noone should and then we break that... as for slaves, if ur too lazy to make ur own dang money go retire dangit! im fine with all races and all cultures(though being an aetheist im hated by a lot of cultures lol) rights and liberties... everyone has the right to live... the death penalty defies that, they killed so they die? isnt there enough pain without ANOTHER death? Healthcare: america has 60+% of the worlds food and some of the cleanest water we have(had) the money to give everyone working water, and if we learned to share instead of turning everyone into out of shape people maybe we could start EVOLVING our technology and stuff instead of DEVOLVING our intellect...
†Aeroen¤Shoko† Rank : 4457	Posted : 7 months, 2 weeks ago at Jan 8 18:07 - Bob Sagget I just despise with all my heart. - and don't forget Chuck Norris. Internet fads = terrorism.
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†Aeroen¤Shoko† Rank : 4457	Posted : 7 months, 2 weeks ago at Jan 8 18:17 - make them think they are watched like a hawk by the government, they'll shut up quick As if that isn't happening right now? Our very president, George Dubya Bush, has already tapped into U S of A's phone lines - as if that isn't watching 'them' like a hawk? The rest of what you are saying, Yama, I can completely understand. :] Thank you.
Grand Assault Rank : 7	Posted : 7 months, 2 weeks ago at Jan 8 18:32 - dude... life in prison is basically killing them... im against prison for life, and im against punishment by death,u dont fight barbarianism with barbarianism, nor i scratch ur back u scratch mine, ugotta do something all psychological to them and stuff, make them think they are watched like a hawk by the government, they'll shut up quick The point of prison isn't to 'fight' a barbarian, it is to remove criminals from the general population for the protection and safety of others. It is widely accepted as a method to make criminals repay their debt to society. You can't pretend to care about human rights and then advocate psychological torture. Sounds like a lot of highly charged opinions here that are common amongst most young people. Don't worry guys, becoming apathetic to the system is an important part of growing up.
Unholy Alliance Rank : 12	Posted : 7 months, 2 weeks ago at Jan 8 18:36 - Is this for Americans only?
Deleted Rank : 33209	Posted : 7 months, 2 weeks ago at Jan 8 18:38 - Yeppers. Devolution is the digression from democracy to Victorian society to pure communism. I guess I'll state some more on the bulk of today's controversial topics. Adoption - Whatever happened to animal instincts? When a ma and a pa prove themselves inefficient at parenting or otherwise deceased, there are a number of species who take them in. Take society finches. They're actually quite disconnected from society, and that's quite good. Give them the egg of a cockatoo and they'll give it their best shot. I can't speak for all finches of course. Abortion - While I am against the seemingly unnecessary death of anyone and anything, I find it only disturbing that the many persons convicting this action are ones who contribute to murder (Paying taxes - money used for war), rape (Instilled on the impressionable are social expectations), and grand theft homosapien (Conformity wants YOU!). Abortion is only a means, and a means is neither evil or good. If an unfortunate female is on the verge of suffering mortality, and the child has no promise of life due to complication, it's a perfectly excusable process. Insecurity about oneself however is inexcusable - for example, Ooh, gross! I don't want my belly to look like that! Government - That governs least, and in turn not at all. Global warming - It is a sad thing for our environment. I'd like to see a negative countered not with a positive, but eliminated without such hassle. An atom with but one neutron! PBS - I adore Sesame Street and Mr. Rogers, but less so Barney and friends. Dubya - I do wish Cheney and Bush would stop making tapes for the respective first ladies. It doesn't seem like appropriate country leader activity. Terrorism - When two towers fall to the ground and so many people perish, can we not discriminate against Muslim peoples? Osama, George W., Hitler.. Cronyism and corruption - Now where is this bias? Innocent until proven guilty, guilty until proven innocent, they're all excruciatingly base. If a leader speaks a lie, and a peasant speaks a truth, the peasant is correct and the leader is incorrect. Healthcare - Poor health is caused ever so much by the things that aim to counter it. A vaccine for no flu, only autism? Soon the government will be turning all humanity into walking corpses with issued, illegal-not-to-be-stuck-with shots. Environment - There are many fine habitats around. The metropolis, on the other hand, is officially a manmade habitat and one that fails to use biodegration as any means of advantage. Rights and liberties - If your truthiness tells you so, and your truthiness isn't influenced at all by any of the many deadly sins, truthiness for the win. Society - Where did this come from, anyway? I'm very annoyed by this imposition. Olympic Sports - I prefer that exercise be a means only of staying in shape while enjoying oneself. Dogs in packs have a good time, truly. Factory farming - It's not courteous or respectful to take of land more than is offered. Torture/slaves (around the world) - Seems like so many people who feel superior, insecure, and dependent all at once can only get their jollies by way of sadistic enslavement. I'm coming inside out with laughter. Race - The color, the fur, the feathers.. We don't lock up the elephant for being blue, or the donkey for being red, do we? Culture - I love the individuality, but hate the biases and steriotypes.
†Aeroen¤Shoko† Rank : 4457	Posted : 7 months, 2 weeks ago at Jan 8 18:46 - Is this for Americans only? Oh no! I would love to hear things from other countries as well - of course if you live in a different one.
†Aeroen¤Shoko† Rank : 4457	Posted : 7 months, 2 weeks ago at Jan 8 18:47 - I was going to post something on all of the things that I had suggested to base opinions on - but I must say, you took the words right out of my mouth, Thilian.
Grand Assault Rank : 7	Posted : 7 months, 2 weeks ago at Jan 8 18:50 - I never knew that the flu jab caused autism.
Deleted Rank : 33209	Posted : 7 months, 2 weeks ago at Jan 8 18:57 - I was going to post something on all of the things that I had suggested to base opinions on - but I must say, you took the words right out of my mouth, Thilian. Woops! Should I have used MLA format? (The Mar ??) What page was it, again? I never knew that the flu jab caused autism. Who's keeping track of which jabs give you what? I know plenty of wonderful people who weren't born with autism, but had it by the time they passed infancy. Autism's not the only thing running around in that fluid you're injected with.
†Aeroen¤Shoko† Rank : 4457	Posted : 7 months, 2 weeks ago at Jan 8 19:01 - Tch. Flu shots are for the weak. REBELREBELREBELREBEL.
Grand Assault Rank : 7	Posted : 7 months, 2 weeks ago at Jan 8 19:02 - The autism claim was originally made regarding the MMR vaccine, and then refuted by just about every scientist involved in the area of research, including all but the chief author of the scientific paper in which the findings were published. What kind of benefit does the government get by planting apparent mutagens in a vaccine designed to protect from illness?
Deleted Rank : 33209	Posted : 7 months, 2 weeks ago at Jan 8 19:08 - The autism claim was originally made regarding the MMR vaccine, and then refuted by just about every scientist involved in the area of research, including all but the chief author of the scientific paper in which the findings were published. What kind of benefit does the government get by planting apparent mutagens in a vaccine designed to protect from illness? The problem is that the government issues (and sometimes disallows not having) vaccines that contain things that could have an extreme effect in any number of natural environments. We don't know everything there is to know about science - far from. That things happen as a result of causes unknown proves this.
Grand Assault Rank : 7	Posted : 7 months, 2 weeks ago at Jan 8 19:17 - We are also not dying of polio or smallpox in the streets anymore thanks to vaccines that have virtually ridden the world of extremely painful terminable diseases. The effects of certain vaccinations are documented over generations now. It is clear they work. Most formulations consist of nothing more dangerous than what would be left over in your body if you survived an attack from a virus anyway. Except for the cancer and HIV genes they stuff in there for fun.
Wolf-Paw Rank : 99	Posted : 7 months, 2 weeks ago at Jan 8 19:24 - GA, id like to state sumting, thats not psychological torture, its just making them think they are being watched, so that they know theyll be caught if they do anythin bad, thus they quickly learn to change their ways, or they go to prison every 30 minutes lol also, Phone lines isnt watching us like hawks lol... i meant more along the lines of having an FBI agent or something stalk him for a few days, then stop, and make him THINK the FBI dude is still watching him, dats all, nothing odd about that
Shelby ♥ Hardy	Posted : 7 months, 2 weeks ago at Jan 8 19:26 This message has been deleted. Reason: Does not add to the thread
Deleted Rank : 33209	Posted : 7 months, 2 weeks ago at Jan 8 19:26 - Except for the cancer and HIV genes they stuff in there for fun. Of course you can't forget those. Why were you taken from me, daddy? But as humans develop, who knows? Maybe the simple process of adaptation contradicts this, their adaptation being harmed by an artificial material. Because that's what vaccines are, a mechanically issued form of adaptation. You have to look at the bubonic plague and wonder if maybe, just maybe, it wouldn't have spread so if it weren't that everyone in Jolly Ole are packed together like watermelons into squares. Birds have carried diseases since the beginning of time. There's a blue parakeet downstairs. He seems to be doing well. GA, id like to state sumting, thats not psychological torture, its just making them think they are being watched, so that they know theyll be caught if they do anythin bad, thus they quickly learn to change their ways, or they go to prison every 30 minutes lol also, Phone lines isnt watching us like hawks lol... i meant more along the lines of having an FBI agent or something stalk him for a few days, then stop, and make him THINK the FBI dude is still watching him, dats all, nothing odd about that I think everyone should act consistently no matter where they are or whose presense they're in the guise of. It's true that people get uncomfortable when they're spied on. There's just a little lack of self-respect going around that you happen to like the color purple personally but are infuriated by it whenever your clique of friends mentions, So what about this dumb color everyone's getting so overhyped about?
Grand Assault Rank : 7	Posted : 7 months, 2 weeks ago at Jan 8 19:26 - I'm pretty sure intense paranoia is a psychological trauma. The fact that people commit crimes when on CCTV suggests it wouldn't work anyway, not to mention how difficult it would be to convince someone who is not adverse to crime that they were being watched for the rest of their life. It's a ridiculous notion from the outset.
Shelby ♥ Hardy	Posted : 7 months, 2 weeks ago at Jan 8 19:27 This message has been deleted. Reason: Does not add to the thread
Deleted Rank : 33209	Posted : 7 months, 2 weeks ago at Jan 8 19:36 - I'm pretty sure intense paranoia is a psychological trauma. The fact that people commit crimes when on CCTV suggests it wouldn't work anyway, not to mention how difficult it would be to convince someone who is not adverse to crime that they were being watched for the rest of their life. It's a ridiculous notion from the outset. What it'll do is get a few people to stop doing particular things and inspire a few other people to do more. It goes for better or for worse, while the neutral subatomic particle is overwhelmed by Angel on one shoulder and Devil on the other. Paranoia is absolutely a psychological trauma - I couldn't agree more. Still doesn't justify it in my opinion, though. :) hey grand assault You little trouble maker, you..!
Grand Assault Rank : 7	Posted : 7 months, 2 weeks ago at Jan 8 19:37 - I'm sure the guy who pricks his finger on his rosebush and then dies from tetanus would be grateful that he was 'naturally' introduced to the bacteria instead of mechanically by a vaccination. Not sure how he'd develop from then on though. Vaccinations are humans adapting to disease and using their immense capacity for invention and engineering to counter it. Your parakeet is heavily inbred and locked in a cage right now. I hope his avian buddies in south east asia are doing fine against bird flu at the moment.
Wolf-Paw Rank : 99	Posted : 7 months, 2 weeks ago at Jan 8 19:38 - . . . the human mind works in odd ways, besides... criminals are already screwed up, if screwing them up more will make them safer to be around without using something like prison for life then thats most likely a better option _-'
Grand Assault Rank : 7	Posted : 7 months, 2 weeks ago at Jan 8 19:43 - Why are you against prison if you don't care about screwing up a prisoner? Do you think it's a waste of bricks or something?
Deleted Rank : 33209	Posted : 7 months, 2 weeks ago at Jan 8 19:48 - I'm sure the guy who pricks his finger on his rosebush and then dies from tetanus would be grateful that he was 'naturally' introduced to the bacteria instead of mechanically by a vaccination. Not sure how he'd develop from then on though. I agree, sarcasm or not. Though it might depend on the guy. One major thing about adaptation is that creatures do, they do die in the process. Rather than accepting death, it seems as if we're forcing it upon ourselves. I'd honestly rather have the former, because consequences are mostly the same and there's no pressure on the side. And who knows? Maybe one day we'll be laughing at the 'intelligent' race just starting to crop up on planet earth because they die of AIDS and we humans don't. Vaccinations are humans adapting to disease and using their immense capacity for invention and engineering to counter it. Your parakeet is heavily inbred and locked in a cage right now. I hope his avian buddies in south east asia are doing fine against bird flu at the moment. I hope they are, too. Though I wish Buba didn't have to be locked up so. Was not my decision - I set him free as often as I can! Though engineering and things have their negatives. Ole pa was a chemical engineerer, worked for Exxon, and is at present catching some Zs six feet under. Though he did work with a relatively mad scientist at one point. I'll have to research this a little bit more in addition to the background of Buba, Fifi, Fooj, Zipp, Fritzlar, Spätzla, Whitecap, Tanny, Ringneck, Stripeneck and Spotneck, respectively.
Wolf-Paw Rank : 99	Posted : 7 months, 2 weeks ago at Jan 8 19:51 - im alright with screwing them up to make them fit in, but im not ok with going like this: u killed sum1, get the fuck in this cell, eat sleep die and then rot in hell, thats not exactly all that fair -_-
Grand Assault Rank : 7	Posted : 7 months, 2 weeks ago at Jan 8 19:53 - It is the creatures that don't die who evolve and adapt... that's the fundamental principle of evolution. If the guy survived, he'd be immune to tetanus - an evolutionary advantage. I guess you are entitled to hang your dreamcatcher above your bed and hope the plagues don't find you though.
Deleted Rank : 33209	Posted : 7 months, 2 weeks ago at Jan 8 19:57 - You both state truth and falsity, gentleman. I feel prison to be a digression from immediate solution - in the wild, self defense is a resort. This morning one of those autistic kids I mentioned earlier was hugging everyone in the hall. His and my first period were right by this location, though it was locked, and so he decided to set a world record for number of people danced with as in Mel Brooks's Young Frankenstein. He asked a lot of rolling in accordance to a lot of hay, a phrase I still haven't cracked yet. But no one just physically moved him away from them except me. And I've known this kid for years, he's great, and he accepts the natural law of self-defense. I only removed him from one girl because he was on her for a greater amount of time than the others. Everyone else I left to deal their own. That few have the psychological capacity to do what only makes physical sense is no justification for physical or psychological enforcement. It is the creatures that don't die who evolve and adapt... that's the fundamental principle of evolution. If the guy survived, he'd be immune to tetanus - an evolutionary advantage. I guess you are entitled to hang your dreamcatcher above your bed and hope the plagues don't find you though. Don't worry. As soon as I get the green paper and age as many seasons as the rulebook of the US allows, I'm moving far, far away from the bubble. :)
Wolf-Paw Rank : 99	Posted : 7 months, 2 weeks ago at Jan 8 20:02 - fundamental principles of evolution is that they survive BECAUSE they adapt and evolve, not they evolve and adapt cuz they survive, we stopped using our appendixes and tonsils for who knows y, but we didnt develop it by surviving, we developed it TO survive
Deleted Rank : 33209	Posted : 7 months, 2 weeks ago at Jan 8 20:05 - To be entirely honest, I think adaptation and survival are all-inversive in their ordering. Hate provokes fear just as much as fear provokes hate. They're the two psychological adulterations.
†Aeroen¤Shoko† Rank : 4457	Posted : 7 months, 2 weeks ago at Jan 8 20:25 - Simply, "Every action as an equal and opposite reaction." -- and besides, nobody REALLY knows of the theory: "Do we really need our tonsils?"
Deleted Rank : 33209	Posted : 7 months, 2 weeks ago at Jan 8 20:27 - Adoption Abortion Government Global warming PBS (the TV show) The president in general Terrorism Cronyism and corruption Healthcare Environment Rights and liberties Society Olympic Sports Factory farming Torture Slavery Race Culture I expect to see one from all Listal users. Go.
robelanator VIP Rank : 94	Posted : 7 months, 2 weeks ago at Jan 8 22:35 - Bob Sagget I just despise with all my heart. Don't be a hater. I'm rolling with Saget.
Grand Assault Rank : 7	Posted : 7 months, 1 week ago at Jan 9 2:50 - You have to survive better or gain some kind of advantage from the thing you adapt to in order to evolve. The fact is, if you die, you aren't passing on any of your traits, benefits, knowledge, or skills to other people, which makes the suggestion that Thilian would rather die from pricking himself on a rosebush because it's 'the natural way of things' all the more absurd. It suggests that he has no interest to either procreate, or pass on his opinions, teachings, skills etc onto other people (either his own children, or youngsters). You could say, therefore, that he has such a low opinion of himself and what he has to offer that the gene pool could probably benefit from his fools death. Humans adapted their diet and changed to farmed crops in order to improve their quality of life. It's generally far more effective and reliable to farm foods and have time for other things, rather than spending all of your time forraging for berries. Not using our appendix doesn't really put us at an advanage against other species. The change/mutation/characteristic must happen first and the animal must survive because of it in order for something to be considered an evolution.
Shelby ♥ Hardy	Posted : 7 months, 1 week ago at Jan 9 2:50 This message has been deleted. Reason: Does not add to the thread
Deleted Rank : 33209	Posted : 7 months, 1 week ago at Jan 9 4:51 - Don't be a hater. I'm rolling with Saget. With me and Sagget it's personal. The man sold his soul to the devil. Why oh why did he have to put my name on the contract as well? You have to survive better or gain some kind of advantage from the thing you adapt to in order to evolve. The fact is, if you die, you aren't passing on any of your traits, benefits, knowledge, or skills to other people, which makes the suggestion that Thilian would rather die from pricking himself on a rosebush because it's 'the natural way of things' all the more absurd. It suggests that he has no interest to either procreate, or pass on his opinions, teachings, skills etc onto other people (either his own children, or youngsters). You could say, therefore, that he has such a low opinion of himself and what he has to offer that the gene pool could probably benefit from his fools death. I do plan to pass on teachings. Though they'll be less in the vein of 'I give you this assignment, you have it in by Monday.' I have a generally high opinion of myself, which I don't find to be immodesty in the slightest. In fact, I think it's only true self-respect. Humans adapted their diet and changed to farmed crops in order to improve their quality of life. It's generally far more effective and reliable to farm foods and have time for other things, rather than spending all of your time forraging for berries. Not using our appendix doesn't really put us at an advanage against other species. The change/mutation/characteristic must happen first and the animal must survive because of it in order for something to be considered an evolution. Good insight. I'm of the opinion that whatever it is modern humans do to adapt puts them at a disadvantage in comparison to animals, as with the mentioned organ. -_- can't u knock that off Well, we are talking about things that people generally stab, shoot, and bomb each other over. :)
†Aeroen¤Shoko† Rank : 4457	Posted : 7 months, 1 week ago at Jan 9 7:06 - Adoption - Not only the adoption of humans, but the adoption of animals as well. Some activists believe that adoption is also some form of slavery, which in cases could possibly happen. This leads to child abuse and fractured unrepareable minds. Sadly, it's going to happen until Armageddon. Abortion - I look on both sides to his argument. Abortion is murder. Of course it is. Technically you're killing a human being, even if it's willing to the parent. In my opinion I don't think that the doctor should be criticized, it was the parents choice to do so. This also brings in the "wire hanger" and "falling down steps" ordeal. It's still the parents choice to have some sort of abortion. Which still, if you don't want the kid, adoption! Abortion helps society. Sure, if you mean it in the way of "the child would have a deficiency" or some sort of abnormal and destructive 'brain-wave' matter. Or, in my experience (no abortion needed), my mother will never have a child again. She had three children, and the third that she had almost broke her. Luckily my brother came out the time he did, because if he would have been harder to push - my mother could have passed away. This comes to the point that if a child/teenager/adult can not have a child (meaning their bodies just aren't strong enough), abortion would be the next option. Frail bodies aren't meant to give birth. Government - I really don't care. Honestly I have no idea what they're doing, and I believe that they don't know what they're doing either. Global warming - Pish-posh. It has happened ever since the first factory was ever built. Pollution and the things that society does isn't the only cause for pollution - think about the greenhouses, and the plants that live on our earth. The president in general - He's a president, and he's going to make mistakes. The only votes he naturally won over were the popular votes, which pisses me off to no end. "Well his daddy was president." That doesn't mean he's going to be any better. Terrorism - I'm afraid to say that Dubya was one to exaggerate. It's not just here in the United States, but it's also everywhere else - other continents and countries. But is it wrong to believe that terrorism is just another form of "Hey, we've noticed that you've got a bad president. Mind if we take him for you?" Terrorism is just another way of saying, "Hey buddy! Screw you." Cronyism and corruption - If a leader speaks a lie, and a peasant speaks a truth, the peasant is correct and the leader is incorrect. - Thilian. Healthcare - Disadvantages, old people, complains, and "bad President" all come to mind. Society - Incredibly stereo-typical. Society has just become Myspace. Factory farming - It's the Native American's soil anyways. Why not just give it back? Slavery AND torture - A long continuation of it, yes. Wrong? Of course. I can expect most people to be biased one way on this, just because of the teachings that 'school' can/may/have teach/taught us. Is this an 'oh well?' matter? Noooo. It still goes on. Race - The United States is one gigantic melting pot. We're always going to have it, and I'm more than okay with it. :) Culture - Need it. If we didn't have culture, would we have the lightbulb? Need it make sense? I rest my case.
Richard A. Booth Rank : 5833	Posted : 7 months, 1 week ago at Jan 9 8:29 - "fundamental principles of evolution is that they survive BECAUSE they adapt and evolve, not they evolve and adapt cuz they survive, we stopped using our appendixes and tonsils for who knows y, but we didnt develop it by surviving, we developed it TO survive" Bad examples. I don't know what the deal with tonsils is, but our attrophied appendix is the result of a dietry change which, eventually, rendered it needless (namely, we don't eat anything like the ammount of nuts, seeds and berries that we once did); survival had nothing to do with that. And evolution doesn't quite work the way you describe it anyway - evolution can just as well doom a species as it might ensure its survival, since closer adaptation to a specific environment will make it very susceptible to any rapid change in that environment. Just ask the dinosaurs.
Voxy Moderator Rank : 10	Posted : 7 months, 1 week ago at Jan 9 8:30 - Ugh.. there's so much bullshit and regurgitation in this thread that it stinks to high heaven.
†Aeroen¤Shoko† Rank : 4457	Posted : 7 months, 1 week ago at Jan 9 12:04 - Ugh.. there's so much bullshit and regurgitation in this thread that it stinks to high heaven. Since it doesn't reach your 'high' standards, stay out.
Deleted Rank : 33209	Posted : 7 months, 1 week ago at Jan 9 13:51 - u missed Euthanasia ... Euthanasia is not a good thing even though some ppl think that it is to save the pain of the paitent but if Euthanasia is practiced and is allowed its like ur allowed to commit murder........that is not a good thing
The Illusion Rank : 153	Posted : 7 months, 1 week ago at Jan 9 14:17 - I have an opinion on this evolution thing but it'll take days for me to begin properly so I'll shorten it dramaticly every one here realises that our ancestors and current day "Great apes" were and sometimes are cannibals most of the fools in my year believe that all monkeys eat is nuts and berries and fruit which just isn't correct they have fingers with a high level of dexterity so they wouldn't need their Canines to tear through fruit skin as they can open them without the teeth all the time they eat meat too they even kill their own families at times they start with the brain as it's the sweetest meat although why do people believe they are strictly herbivors? it's weirdly evident
Deleted Rank : 33209	Posted : 7 months, 1 week ago at Jan 9 15:59 - - Thilian. I must say, my internet alias looks good after a quote of mine. Bad examples. I don't know what the deal with tonsils is, but our attrophied appendix is the result of a dietry change which, eventually, rendered it needless (namely, we don't eat anything like the ammount of nuts, seeds and berries that we once did); survival had nothing to do with that. And evolution doesn't quite work the way you describe it anyway - evolution can just as well doom a species as it might ensure its survival, since closer adaptation to a specific environment will make it very susceptible to any rapid change in that environment. Just ask the dinosaurs. Question: Did the appendix completely lose its function as human diet developed, or is a single nerve there still working? I'm just curious as to the extent of the atrophy. Ugh.. there's so much bullshit and regurgitation in this thread that it stinks to high heaven. Can you name a few beefs, Voxy? I'd love to hear your take. Since it doesn't reach your 'high' standards, stay out. One must be a courteous hostess when old friends visit the villa. For as the old saying goes... this is a peaceful forum - keep your words clean if another person decides to get on you about it - The Mar.
Voxy Moderator Rank : 10	Posted : 7 months, 1 week ago at Jan 10 8:00 - I just have an issue with a few things being said here sounding so juvenile... as if they're repeating what a teacher told them without realizing that the world isn't black and white. abortion is messed up... if u dont want a child u shouldnt be doing the crap anyways! geez some people are stupid... This just makes me want to do a classic facepalm ... I hate the totalitarian attitude as this "opinion" doesn't take into account the idea of becoming pregnant due to a rape, faulty condoms, etc.... Or just the fact that as a human being I have the choice to decide whether or not it is appropriate for me to bringing another life into this world.... And at the same time, abortion isn't the answer to ignorance or just plain being lazy about wearing a condom. There are many sides to this issue. Government - That governs least, and in turn not at all. Spouting someone else's words isn't your opinion... it should add to it, not be it. It doesn't explain how you feel, only what Thoreau felt. (And another beef is not attirbuting the words their proper source.) i meant more along the lines of having an FBI agent or something stalk him for a few days, then stop, and make him THINK the FBI dude is still watching him, dats all, nothing odd about that u killed sum1, get the fuck in this cell, eat sleep die and then rot in hell, thats not exactly all that fair -_- Right... because that's exactly the most logical, effective, and certainly least expensive method to thwart those pesky little murderers, gangbangers, and drug dealers. And certainly, someone who took no account of the value of someone else's life should obviously be treated fairly and respectfully. /sarcasm Pollution and the things that society does isn't the only cause for pollution - think about the greenhouses, and the plants that live on our earth. What?!?!? Pollution is not responsible for pollution? And natural plants are pollutants?? And you enjoy to speak from your butt?! Boo! This is just all so distressing because there's so much more that could be ripped apart or that is completely irrelevant to the topics. Where the hell is Prelude to help balance out the logical and thoughtful in this thread?
Deleted Rank : 33209	Posted : 7 months, 1 week ago at Jan 10 8:12 - i agree with Voxy ^^
Richard A. Booth Rank : 5833	Posted : 7 months, 1 week ago at Jan 10 8:25 - "Question: Did the appendix completely lose its function as human diet developed, or is a single nerve there still working? I'm just curious as to the extent of the atrophy" That's a matter of some debate, it seems. Whilst an infected appendix can be fatal, removal of a healthy appendix doesn't seem to have any adverse effect on the person's health (in the past, if a person needed surgery, a perfectly healthy appendix might be removed at the same time - a stitch in time saves nine, I guess! Relatively recently, however, other surgical uses for the appendix have been found...). Also, there is evidence that it may perform some immune function, although it's unclear exactly what.
Deleted Rank : 33209	Posted : 7 months, 1 week ago at Jan 10 8:31 - hi Richard ^^ wat do u think about Euthanasia?
Richard A. Booth Rank : 5833	Posted : 7 months, 1 week ago at Jan 10 8:42 - I don't think it makes sense to talk about support or otherwise for euthanasia, other than on a case by case basis. I can't say that I'm against it on principle, though.
Deleted Rank : 33209	Posted : 7 months, 1 week ago at Jan 10 8:53 - How come ur not against Euthanasia some people thisnk that it helps the person from the pain but its a murder....seriously God gave us life and he is the only one who can take away our lives whenever he wanted and that is not a murder coz we are originally from God and are going bak to him so y do u think Euthanasia is a good thing?
Grand Assault Rank : 7	Posted : 7 months, 1 week ago at Jan 10 9:46 - I guess people who would otherwise die if it wasn't for life support machines and other pieces of life saving equipment are going against God too, then? He wants to take them but we just wont let 'im! While I wouldn't ever like to be the person who euthanises another, I can't say I'm against it. Basket cases with no hope of recovery, who are only running down the clock in immense pain shouldn't really have to suffer for no reason. Where the hell is Prelude to help balance out the logical and thoughtful in this thread? He's probably off hatin' on the medicine industry too!
Deleted Rank : 33209	Posted : 7 months, 1 week ago at Jan 10 10:06 - loly i bet he is ^^
robelanator VIP Rank : 94	Posted : 7 months, 1 week ago at Jan 10 10:32 - Re: abortion I agree with pro-lifers that life does begin at conception. However, I also agree with pro-choicers that women should have the absolute right to abort their fetuses, at least in the first or second trimester. I'm squishy on the third. To me, it comes down to a question of weighing one being's right against another's. Should a women be forced risk her health (and even her life) to physically and financially support the beginnings of another person? In other words, should a fully grown woman have to relinquish the rights to her own body for the sake of an non-viable fetus? First trimester (0-12 weeks) abortions are literally a no-brainer since there is typically no measurable brain activity in fetus until the 12th week. Close to 90% of abortions occur during the first trimester. There is more nervous system development during the second trimester (13-24 weeks), but the fetus is still not able to survive on its own outside the womb. 9% of abortions occur between the 12th and 20th week. Third trimester abortions (24-36 weeks) are rare. Only 1% of all abortions are in the third trimester. It's also currently the least legally protected time to have an abortion because in many cases the fetus would be able to survive outside the womb with medical assistance. If there is a threat to the life of the mother, it should be perfectly legal to abort. There's no way one person should be forced to give up their life for another if they choose not to.
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Deleted Rank : 33209	Posted : 7 months, 1 week ago at Jan 10 10:38 - well yea........but have u reconsidered the fact if supposing the child was handicapped.....do u want the child to live in a life where others will be mocking him/her or bullying him/her.......make them hate their lives its kinda better if that child shouldn't live at all instead of being bullied or teased... im am totally against abortion and euthanasia but my mom and sis kept asking me to considert these points and as much as i hate abortion...i just never want to see a child suffer wat do u think about abortion now?
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robelanator VIP Rank : 94	Posted : 7 months, 1 week ago at Jan 10 10:55 - Re: death penalty I don't have a big moral hangup about killing serial murderers, but I do have a major problem with killing innocent men who have been wrongly convicted. Sadly, our criminal justice system is not perfect. People are wrongly convicted f murder all the time. Even people who "confess" to the crime sometimes turn out to be innocent (ie, it's found out that the police beat a confession out of the guy or something). This is not just me waxing philosophical. Northwestern University's Center on Wrongful Convictions alone has helped exonerate 18 people who were on death row: Joseph Burrows Perry Cobb Rolando Cruz Gary Gauger Alejandro Hernandez Madison Hobley Stanley Howard Verneal Jimerson Ronald Jones Carl Lawson Steven Manning Leroy Orange Aaron Patterson Anthony Porter Steven Smith Gordon (Randy) Steidl (1987, 2004) Darby Tillis Dennis Williams They also believe that there are at least 39 other people who have been executed in the US who were probably innocent. The Innocence Project (est 1992) has freed 47 people wrongfully convicted of murder, 14 of them sentenced to death. 5 overlap with the Illinois cases above, the other 9 are: Kirk Bloodsworth Robert Miller Ron Williamson Frank Lee Smith Earl Washington Charles Irvin Fain Ray Krone Nicholas Yarris Ryan Matthews If two small volunteer organizations can overturn the convictions of 27 people who would've otherwise been wrongly killed then there's something seriously wrong with the system. It's extremely likely that many innocent people have been mistakenly executed and it's also extremely likely that we'll continue to do so. I should also point out that almost half of those cases linked to above were overturned for reasons other than DNA testing (coerced confessions, lying or mistaken witnesses, overzealous cops and prosecutors, etc), so all this fancy new CSI technology will not eliminate the possibility of innocent folks being put to death.
The Illusion Rank : 153	Posted : 7 months, 1 week ago at Jan 10 10:56 - abortion should be legal because they might not want the child as they will have to sacrifice their edjucation,job and time to the child
Deleted Rank : 33209	Posted : 7 months, 1 week ago at Jan 10 10:59 - but..........its still killing
The Illusion Rank : 153	Posted : 7 months, 1 week ago at Jan 10 11:00 - but the women might die so that's murder
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The Illusion Rank : 153	Posted : 7 months, 1 week ago at Jan 10 11:17 - e.g they lose too much blood as they need to get a scesarian I think that's how you spell it
Deleted Rank : 33209	Posted : 7 months, 1 week ago at Jan 10 11:19 - oh i get u now but thats according to hwo they care of they child while they are pregnant no smoking....medicines.....drinking....or even working alot so the complications wont occur we will talk bout this later i gtg bi bai ^^
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robelanator VIP Rank : 94	Posted : 7 months, 1 week ago at Jan 10 13:27 - "Well... way to ruin a thread where people were actually having discussions relating to its original intent." Indeed. If people aren't going to be warned and then banned for chatting, Listal should at the very least get a chatroom app of some sort.
Voxy Moderator Rank : 10	Posted : 7 months, 1 week ago at Jan 10 13:34 - There's always talk of mods, but I think Tom is currently trying to sort out other things. I have seen a few threads where some replies have been deleted, so that's certainly an improvement. And as for Euthansia? I haven't any problems with it. I'm a firm believer that people have the right to end their lives (or requested to be terminated) at whatever time they choose, for whatever reasons they deem appropriate. Especially in cases of pain or vegetation, the person is not really living at all and I see it as selfishness on the part of family and friends to want to keep this person around.
Deleted Rank : 33209	Posted : 7 months, 1 week ago at Jan 10 13:35 - robelanator u never answered my question T.T
robelanator VIP Rank : 94	Posted : 7 months, 1 week ago at Jan 10 14:06 - I thought it was a rhetorical question. You seriously expect me to answer whether or not I believe we should kill the handicapped? Okay. No, I don't think we should mercy kill handicapped children. I'm not sure what this has to do with forcing pregnancy on women, though.
Deleted Rank : 33209	Posted : 7 months, 1 week ago at Jan 10 14:08 - I'm not sure what this has to do with forcing pregnancy on women, though. me too......
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robelanator VIP Rank : 94	Posted : 7 months, 1 week ago at Jan 10 15:32 - I'm not sure what this has to do with forcing pregnancy on women, though. If a woman gets pregnant and doesn't want to spend the next 9 months risking her health and her life, in physical pain and financial woe (having a baby is not cheap, even assuming you have insurance), passing a law preventing her from getting an abortion basically forces pregnancy upon her.
Deleted Rank : 33209	Posted : 7 months, 1 week ago at Jan 10 15:57 - Spouting someone else's words isn't your opinion... it should add to it, not be it. It doesn't explain how you feel, only what Thoreau felt. (And another beef is not attirbuting the words their proper source.) I've known about the phrase since before I read Civil Disobedience. Actually, Thomas Jefferson originated the phrase, and Thoreau quoted him. I'm getting out the article now, it says this: I heartily accept the motto-"That government is best which governs least"; and I should like to see it acted up to more rapidly and systematically. Carried out, it finallly amounts to this, which I also believe-"That government is best which governs not at all" -Henry David Thoreau, Resistance to Civil Government I didn't have this thing by me the other day when I was typing (it was miles from here), nor do I refer to anything but spell-checkers and things when I type online. I have my own personal voice, and think it's a tragedy for others not to use theirs. What I presented was a shortened version of Jefferson's line (also a popular phrase by social standards) and added an 'and in turn not at all' simply because 'not at all' sounds adage-like. Not because those were the three words Thoreau used, and words used often on their own. I'm a little hurt I'm being accused of copying for using words that are simply common in addition to a phrase that's fairly established as well. That's just not something I'd do. To be frank, though, you could take portions of most nine-word sentences and get a great deal out of google.. At any rate I'm sorry for offending your moral values. On the other hand, I do agree with the statement. I'm fascinated by the many different stands taken throughout history. Thoreau wasn't the first to practice civil disobedience. It's somewhere in the human mind until it comes out. If a woman gets pregnant and doesn't to spend the next 9 months risking her health and her life, in physical pain and financial woe (having a baby is not cheap, even assuming you have insurance), passing a law preventing her from getting an abortion basically forces pregnancy upon her. In my opinion, there's too much blame and pressure. If a woman could just give birth with the aid of preferably a partner, it'd be so much simpler. EDIT: well yea........but have u reconsidered the fact if supposing the child was handicapped.....do u want the child to live in a life where others will be mocking him/her or bullying him/her.......make them hate their lives its kinda better if that child shouldn't live at all instead of being bullied or teased... im am totally against abortion and euthanasia but my mom and sis kept asking me to considert these points and as much as i hate abortion...i just never want to see a child suffer wat do u think about abortion now? Pretty much the same thing. You should know what you're referring to has less to do with every kid who's born without a limb being unable to function as it does with particular jerks who want to fit into a circle and therefore push someone else out of it. :) What the tartarus? I keep editing that, but I keep getting nowhere as far as misinterpretation goes.
Grand Assault Rank : 7	Posted : 7 months, 1 week ago at Jan 10 19:23 - In England, there's not much chance of an anti-abortion law being passed, but I certainly think the clinics should be more stringent with who they give abortions to as the value of human life is being severely degraded by slags and sluts who can not be bothered to take even the most basic of precautions. I am not anti-abortion, but I grew up in a county that has the highest teenage pregnancy rate in the whole of Europe. It's disgusting. On the one hand, without abortions there'd be even more teenage pregnancies around here, but at the same time, people are just far too stupid to realise what they are doing and use abortion as a contraceptive. There needs to be some sort of price put on abortion. It's easy to tell who genuinely needs a termination, and who is too stupid to engage their brain before giving in to the most basic of temptations. They should just seriously start sterilising anyone who serially aborts.
Deleted Rank : 33209	Posted : 7 months, 1 week ago at Jan 10 19:30 - What was that line on Sex and the City, boasted proudly by that Samantha wench? 'I've had five', or something like that? It's even worse with guys knocking girls up. Rarely, though sometimes, it's just a means of getting revenge - and starting life based on that's only more than a little sick. Abortion is quite the fault of both genders. Not to mention the bulk of people who dish on it are either male or religious extremists.
Richard A. Booth Rank : 5833	Posted : 7 months, 1 week ago at Jan 15 7:37 - "How come ur not against Euthanasia some people thisnk that it helps the person from the pain but its a murder....seriously God gave us life and he is the only one who can take away our lives whenever he wanted and that is not a murder coz we are originally from God and are going bak to him so y do u think Euthanasia is a good thing?" I said that I'm not against it, in principle. To say I consider it to be a good thing, is a little stronger than what I actually said. But there are clearly cases where, as Voxy said, keeping the person alive would only be cruelly prolonging their agony, or keeping them at a point where they don't experience anything anyway. I see no reason why the compassionate God you invoke would want that - and if He decides that it's someone's time to go, wouldn't we be going against his will to try and keep the person alive? And I think that highlights one of the problems with your appeal to a God - how would you know which deaths are part of 'God's plan', and which aren't? I think here, the true moral problems come from the distinctions between different circumstances euthanasia can be carried out in - i.e., whether it's passive, aggressive etc... If a patient has asked to die, and is of sound enough mind to decide, I don't really see what the problem is. If, however, the patient hasn't asked to be allowed to die, it could be classed as murder, in some cases. But it depends on what the situation and circumstances are, really. Of course, euthanasia is common practice in many hospitals (for example, nurses may choose to give a terminally ill patient morphine, to relieve their pain, even if they know the dose needed will kill them).
Prelude VIP Moderator Rank : 2	Posted : 7 months, 1 week ago at Jan 15 11:28 - The autism claim was originally made regarding the MMR vaccine, and then refuted by just about every scientist involved in the area of research, including all but the chief author of the scientific paper in which the findings were published. What kind of benefit does the government get by planting apparent mutagens in a vaccine designed to protect from illness? having had not one, but TWO daughters developed acute ITP (one nearly became chronic ITP) DIRECTLY because of MMR vaccine, I'm a firm believer that we all should have the right to CHOOSE what we will inject into your children. You can throw all scientific papers out the god damn window as far as i'm concerned. Developing ITP from MMR is documented at an 'acceptable' 1 in 24,000 chance, but who comes out with these odds statistics? how accurate are they? how skewed are they to benefit the vaccine makers? how much kick-back is involved between pharmaceuticals and doctors? how much BILLIONS in lawsuits would be involved if the truth was revealed. All I know is that BOTH my precious daughters, either of which i'd die (or kill) for, developed ITP. And when we were in with our doctor, he had to rush to emerg and he mentioned another 1 year old child developed ITP a week after getting his MMR vaccine. He reported these cases, and his findings are to be printed in some publication, but i'm sure it will be dismissed just like all the other cases have been. 'MMR is a godsend. fuck the side effects!' Ironically enough, the top doctors at Sick Kids in toronto were more anxious to get us to sign a consent form to try a new type of drug on our child when we brought her in with ITP symptoms. They don't care about the root cause - they just care about developing new drugs, oblivious to the fact that it was a vaccine (drug) that got us into this mess in first place. Now I have a bigger concern. My daughters have to get another does of MMR shots next year before they start school. Nice system we have. Force vaccinations, and even when the dice roll against us and we get stuck with the nasty side effects of medication, we still have to conform to society's will. So no shots will ever go near my kids again in the name of preventive medicine, and if our school system won't allow exception for our kids, home schooling it is.
Grand Assault Rank : 7	Posted : 7 months, 1 week ago at Jan 15 13:03 - Who comes up with those odd statistics indeed, I just did a bit of reading and it suggested that ITP occurs in approximately 4 in every 100,000 infants worldwide. Those vaccine stats would therefore be very acceptible? Having two infants develop the disease could suggest that it is a genetic predisposition that may be at work here. I can't help but feel that thousands more children would develop a disorder otherwise, considering the univeral administration of the vaccine worldwide. An alternative outcome could have been that anyone who skips the vaccine gets ill with measles, mumps or rubella and develops any number of complications as a result. I believe any woman who contracts rubella while pregnant is almost guaranteed to lose her baby and her own life. That would be unacceptible considering we have a perfectly acceptible preventatives available. Herd immunity doesn't work on a pick and choose basis, you must keep everyone vaccinated to stop (what we now regard almost as 'old world' viruses thanks to the success of vaccinations) reocurring endemics. There is no higher power sweeping your doctors observations under the carpet. An INDEPENDENT body exists, run by the CDC I believe, that reports and monitors adverse effects of vaccinations. They have the power to pull vaccines off of the shelf and they have done in the past. Including vaccines aimed at poor afircan nations whose whinging could have easily been swept away.
Deleted Rank : 33209	Posted : 7 months, 1 week ago at Jan 15 13:14 - Damn you Prelude, my mother won't allow me homeschooling even if I do develop another disorder (beyond the bunch I already have). In truth, science causes the need for so many of the medications it distributes. Can anyone clarify the spread of AIDS's connection to a supposed group of scientists handing out flu shots? Since the medical field is also a matter of cashing in like so many other things, it can be stated that the scale is thus: Health < Economy I also have a bit of a thing against the treatment of special needs kids. A teacher in the AB room here used to work at a school where kids with Down's got licked. She had to sit in on a whipping by law once as a witness. Many of the teachers that work in the field are straight out of college, often female as I've noticed, and not sympathetic to the kids' needs at all. I can be having fun with a kid I've known half my life and some graduate'll come by and sass me for being in his space. I could go in the next room, do the same exact thing, and the teachers there won't mind. They actually clash a lot, but they strive to keep it out of the children's eyes. CYA is the term.
Grand Assault Rank : 7	Posted : 7 months, 1 week ago at Jan 15 13:32 - I'm sure the economy benefits a lot from missed workdays through employee sickness and from shelling out to keep people lying dormant in a hospital bed.
Deleted Rank : 33209	Posted : 7 months, 1 week ago at Jan 15 14:09 - I'm sure the economy benefits a lot from missed workdays through employee sickness and from shelling out to keep people lying dormant in a hospital bed. In this vein it can be stated that the scale is thus: Moot points < Concrete points :) I'm sure they do. Taxes are raised, inflation ensues, prices for things go up, the latest trend comes about, etc. It all goes hand-in-hand.
Prelude VIP Moderator Rank : 2	Posted : 7 months, 1 week ago at Jan 15 14:13 - employee sickness? what's that? in the great capitalistic society of Canada, i get stomach cramps and headaches just 'thinking' of what would happen dare I call in sick to work. and no, there is no 'genetic' links for ITP. I did a ton of research on ITP when my one kid was sick for almost 4 months. there is absolutely zero chance its a genetic illness, and for two siblings to both get it (albeit one was a lot more severe than the second) makes me think I should be playing the Lottery with those sort of odds. the only thing in 'common' was the MMR vaccine, and we're talking it occurred within a day or two of the shots. I was very hesitant in letting my 2nd daughter get her MMR, but my doctor assured me there is zero link that if one sibling gets it, another will as well. and that same doctor is now saying that just because they got a reaction one time with MMR doesnt mean they will in a year or two when next one is due. Needless to say i felt like kicking him in the nuts and asking him what the odds are I'll kick him again.
Deleted Rank : 33209	Posted : 7 months, 1 week ago at Jan 15 14:21 - LOL at that final statement. and no, there is no 'genetic' links for ITP. I may be ignorant scientifically but from what I can support from grade-level Biology, genetically occurring aspects of a disease are a lot easier to determine than every number of things that could go wrong when a fluid enters the body. I can have poor vision from both parents and blame it on genetics. Other highly suspect things (such as the two day difference in health) I should probably blame on Dr. Robert.
Grand Assault Rank : 7	Posted : 7 months, 1 week ago at Jan 15 14:29 - Erm... I'm afraid worker sickness takes a massive toll on the economy. As does maintaining hospitals in order to treat sick people (as does 2+2=4). I guess they're not moot points then. Not to mention inflation not being a benefit to an economy like America's, where the value of the dollar is hitting an all time low thanks to people having too much money to spend and the federal reserve not being able to cope (a reason why raising the national minimum wage has become an election point).
Deleted Rank : 33209	Posted : 7 months, 1 week ago at Jan 15 14:35 - Erm... I'm afraid worker sickness takes a massive toll on the economy. As does maintaining hospitals in order to treat sick people (as does 2+2=4). I guess they're not moot points then. Not to mention inflation not being a benefit to an economy like America's, where the value of the dollar is hitting an all time low thanks to people having too much money to spend and the federal reserve not being able to cope (a reason why raising the national minimum wage has become an election point). Not to mention national debt and gas prices. The negatives you mention are economy's hit on itself.
Prelude VIP Moderator Rank : 2	Posted : 7 months, 1 week ago at Jan 15 14:38 - well can someone tell that prick who just came up to my desk asking to borrow a pen, while sneezing and coughing up a lung, to go the hell home?
Grand Assault Rank : 7	Posted : 7 months, 1 week ago at Jan 15 14:50 - He should've got the flu jab ;)
Prelude VIP Moderator Rank : 2	Posted : 7 months, 1 week ago at Jan 15 14:58 - he probably just did ;)
Deleted Rank : 33209	Posted : 7 months, 1 week ago at Jan 15 16:24 - One thing I've noticed is that in this day and age it's very difficult to be nice. Not only do people derive hate from anything you say, but they'll give something controversial more notice. The negatives about this seem to be 1) People are hateful jerks, and 2) Anyone can write a book based entirely off of concepts that work and throw in some controversial issues, 'taboos', and make millions just because it attracts more attention. Even though The Beatles achieved high fame through messages of Love, Love, Love, they had a scandal or two. Is anyone familiar with Paul Is Dead? Where the hell is Prelude to help balance out the logical and thoughtful in this thread? Here he is!
Prelude VIP Moderator Rank : 2	Posted : 7 months, 1 week ago at Jan 15 20:55 - switching to politics, I'm an Obama supporter, but I'd love to see Huckabee with the Republican side. Huckabee/Colbert sounds like such a good ticket LOL Huckabee was on Colbert Report last week, and he once again confirmed that if he wins, he will take Colbert as his running mate. I sure hope its more than a joke. :) that would be priceless! but the republican elite are scared of Huckabee. its one thing to covet the evangelical vote. its another to put an evangelical in office. their true hypocrisy would be exposed for all to see. p.s. sorry for my tardy entry. I was too busy with game lists and game lists and game lists...
Deleted Rank : 33209	Posted : 7 months ago at Jan 16 10:09 - This Huckabee bloke sounds pretty funny. I'll research him a little more. I knew you were doing game lists, but most of the people on this thread have yet to contribute to that one.
Voxy Moderator Rank : 10	Posted : 7 months ago at Jan 16 11:41 - Some of us just don't play enough games to be able to contribute anything of value. It's probably better we stay out in that case, rather than flood it with irrelevant conversation! :P